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Poster: falconcry77 Date: Mar 3, 2009 3:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Looking for the best of '72-'74

Because the word "best" is very subjective, especially in dealing with the dead, let me outline what is "best" *to me* in terms of 72-74 dead:

Improvisation, experimentation, jazz, open-endedness, beautiful space, scary space, chaotic noise, quieting down to almost nothing, rarety, long jams and segues, and, of course, good sound quality.

ex: just heard 6-18-74 and LOVED it.

Side note: also steer me towards an awesome Jerry Peggio from the era!

Thanks in advance!

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Poster: SoggeeJohnson Date: Mar 4, 2009 12:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

Here's a start >

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-01-02.sbd.eD.8709.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: Mar 3, 2009 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

Here's a few.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-05-26.sbd.waddell.89641.sbeok.flac16
The Strand Lyceum on 1972-05-26, Check out this jam: Truckin' > The Other One > Morning Dew > The Other One > Sing Me Back Home

Dane County Coliseum on 1973-02-15
Dark Star-> Eyes Of The World-> China Doll

http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-02-15.sbd.hall.1580.sbeok.shnf

... and one of my faves, Selland Arena on 1974-07-19 a partial set 2 (David Gans source), One of the best LIG ever.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-07-19.sbd.gans-finney.217.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Mar 3, 2009 6:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

Just listened to the Selland partial SBD and have got to say it's mighty fine. WRS is/was tough to pull off live and this ranks up there with the best of them. The whole set is well played and sound is near 5 stars. I agree, a great example.

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Poster: deyzof49 Date: Mar 3, 2009 5:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

After followin up some of the links here i wander round muttering dates to myself for days. Which did'nt stop me from typing in 1887 a few moments ago while looking for a concert i dig from Columbus, Ohio in 72 or 73 .
DP12 is a favourite of mine too and i shall be muttering 73-06-22 for a while thanks to Grendel. Just rockin my soul with Whirlwinds choice. Oh Joy.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Mar 3, 2009 5:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

quieting down to almost nothing,...............................................................................................

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 3, 2009 3:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

Gee, 72-74, you really can't be disappointed no matter where you go there

Normally I wouldn't include the obvious but you listed 6-18-74 so....

even though I find the Europe tour to be THE most glorious the band ever played you'd perhaps be more into

Venetta 8-27-72

Berkeley Theatre http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-08-21.sbd.hamilton.150.sbeok.shnf

Stanely

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-09-28.sbd.lai.157.sbeok.shnf

Other One Sandwhich -
http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-11-14.sbd.vernon.5612.sbeok.shnf

here's one you can actually download

http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-07-27.aud.weiner.gdadt26.26363.sbeok.shnf

http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-11-21.sbd.barrick.192.sbeok.shnf

6/26-28-74 DP12 get it. Definitely one of the best

30 minute playing!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-07-19.sbd.miller.32634.sbeok.flac16


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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 3, 2009 4:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

"Improvisation, experimentation, jazz, open-endedness, beautiful space, scary space, chaotic noise, quieting down to almost nothing, rarety, long jams and segues, and, of course, good sound quality"

This incredible show fits your criteria to a T!

Jazzy, spacial explorations in A+ Charlie Miller sound quality. Phenomenal China/Rider segue, superb jazzy WRS, one of the very best performances of Eyes of the World, and a uniquely scary feedback segment in Dark Star...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-12-18.sbd.miller.97511.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Mar 3, 2009 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

At first I thought you were joking. Here's my list of personal favorites, and my values align pretty well with your stated criteria:

1972-05-11 Rotterdam, Civic Hall
1972-05-25 Strand Lyceum
1972-05-26 Strand Lyceum
1972-07-18 Roosevelt Stadium
1972-08-25 Berkeley
1972-08-27 Veneta, OR
1972-09-16 Boston Music Hall
1972-09-21 The Spectrum, Philadelphia
1972-09-26 Stanley Theatre, Jersey City, NJ

1973-05-20 Santa Barbara
1973-05-26 Kezar
1973-06-10 RFK w/ Allman Bros
1973-09-07 Uniondale, NY
1973-11-11 Winterland
1973-11-17 Pauley Pavilion
1973-12-01 Boston Music Hall

1974-02-24 Winterland
1974-05-14 Missoula, MT
1974-05-17 P.N.E. Coliseum, Vancouver, BC
1974-09-18 Dijon, France

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Poster: JC Edwards Date: Mar 3, 2009 6:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

Oh how I would love a copy of Dijon with the Grey Poupon again! I'll give somebody 2 bits for a copy! :-D

Check out 06/16/74 - State Fair Grandstand, Des Moines, IA

The Eyes is well worth the price of admission alone in the land of flat chested girlies and popcorn on the cob.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Mar 3, 2009 4:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

hi falconcry check out let it rock and the d-star>spanish jam> u.s. blues enjoy!!!http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-06-23.sbd.matrix-sb21b.chappell.83489.flac16

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 3, 2009 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

Check this out, especially for the Birdsong, which has a Darkstar-like quality. whole show is great and is an excellent AUD:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-06-22.aud.weiner.gdADT19.16889.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 3, 2009 9:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

Here's a stately sounding Peggy-O from 1975, a unique version and a personal favorite. Never heard another one played quite like it. Worth a listen for that reason alone.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1975-06-17.fob.menke.motb.97077.flac16

Plenty of great recs for 72-74 already, but when visiting 1972 make the Europe '72 shows your first stop!
I have not seen 9/10/72 mentioned, and it needs to be. Certainly one of the greatest Dark Stars of that year with David Crosby sitting in. Dark Star>Jack Straw? Never heard that transition again.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-09-10.sbd.patched.greenberg-powell.22793.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 3, 2009 9:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

Hey SD--Johnny lets me chime in on this one without ragging on me for hypocrisy, so I will second it since I was there: the P-O, and the CrFingers are both very nice from my second fav DEAD show that I attended (behind the Sept GGPark gig)...I don't collect shows post 73, but I do have the AUD of this one and just for those two songs, really (ie, the memories, etc., but those two songs are the ones I listen to every six months or so when I think I'll finally move past 71!).

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Mar 4, 2009 9:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

well regardless of your other misguidedness, you definitely hit the ball out of the park with this one Tell. 9-28-75 kicks butt! Love that show!

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Mar 4, 2009 1:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

A dear friend of mine who passed away a couple of years ago went to the Golden Gate Park show on his birthday and would rave about it to no end as his favorite show of all time that he had attended. I love the Winterland show that produced this Peggy-O. Incredible renditions of the Blues For Allah material on this show, and one of the best and the jazziest Slipknot's you would ever want to hear! I love every single 1975 show the band played, all four of them! They did some great stuff that year IMO.

Anybody exploring the great shows from 1972-1974 is stopping a year too soon and would be remiss to skip 1975! Check out all four of the shows, Kezar, Winterland, Great American Music Hall and Golden Gate Park. A lot of great stuff happening! One of the most strange and unique years of The Grateful Dead experience musically.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd75-09-28.sbd.bertha-ashley.22257.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 4, 2009 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

Mine too...as I have recounted before, for the last sequence of songs/jams, we made our way up to the left of the stage, roughly five heads out from Keith, Phil and Phil's speakers and the bass still rings in my ears...well, okay, probably just wax, but it was intense...and those shots of Jerry (thanks!) are so nice, as it was cool, and Bob was already morphing into some sort of lounge club singer it seemed to me (like the cover of HHelpFool).

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Mar 4, 2009 9:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

I will add to this because I want to add more of the same suggestions. :-)

I'll try around 5 from each year. Note some of these might be hard to get (maybe they are commercial releases) but get them anyway:

1972
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1972-04-08 - Wembley. Top 5 Dark Star ever wow is it beautiful. Kind of trippy but more beautiful. Worth every penny
1972-04-24 - Rhinehalle ("Rockin' The Rhine") very arguably the best sounding Dead album ever, either commercial or on LMA. Simply superior!
1972-07-16 - Hartford CT - just get the last few songs starting with NFA. Joined by Allman brothers it's the best Dead jam ever. Holy shit fuck me it's so awesome. Just listen to it!
1972-08-21 - Berkeley Center - best August show, better than Veneta or the 8/24 show. Listen to Playin' and DS and you'll see why.
1972-09-21 - Phily another beautiful Dark Star I probably put that in my top 5. long show too. Can't miss.
1972-12-31 - Winterland has an awesome TOO...I don't know much about the other songs though. But definitely worth a listen.

1973
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1973-05-26 - Kezar great 3 set show, > 4 hrs. They do every song except DS.
1973-06-10 - Washington DC. Tripped out-freaky show with mind-boggling DS, Eyes, and Playin'. Joined by Allman for third set. Definitely top 5.
1973-06-22 - P.N.E Vancouver - few people have this in top 5 but just listen to Truckin > on and you'll see why it's awesome. Truckin' goes on forever and then TOO just trips out and steals your face. You'll walk around face-naked for days it's such a good show.
1973-08-01 - Roosevelt - I would just get DS > El Paso > Eyes > Dew as those four songs are played totally differently from other occasions. And those different versions are spectacular
1973-11-11 - Winterland great DS > MJLB > Eyes > China > Sugar. Can't miss believe me.
1973-12-02 - Boston the Playin' > MLBJ is the best ever. Holy shit they go into outer space and tear you apart, then Jerry delicately brings you back down to earth. What an awesome Dick's Picks
1973-12-18/19 are both excellent shows you can't go wrong. One has DS, the other has TOO. the 19th is a dick's picks.

Mind you there are other fantastic shows in 73 but this is my opinion.

1974 (prob. my favorite year)
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1974-02-24 - Winterland I think it's over-rated not a top 5 of the year. DS is good, and 2nd set has lots of bang for the buck.
1974-06-08 - Oakland. PITB > Wharf > PITB > Eyes is an excellent combo and originality and is top 10 of year.
1974-06-18 - Louisville. Awesome just read the reviews. TOO > It's a Sin!!!!!
1974-06-23 - Jai'Alai Miami - second set whopper especially Spanish Jam > US Blues
1974-06-30 - Springfield why don't people write about this it's is more solid than a block of titanium. There is nothing wrong with this show! PITB > UJB > PITB, US Blues > Truckin > Eyes is PHAT
1974-08-06 - Roosevelt awesome Eyes I see why this was a dick's Pick
1974-09-11 - Alexandra Place best concert of 1974 it is so tripped out. Holy shit this will pop your eyeballs out and put them in your ear. You'll be seeing ghosts of your cactus running around your house yelling the Cubs suck and will lose again this year. Then you'll lay down in a fetal position and suck your thumb for an hour. This show is so crazy. Some books say these guys were hard dosed the whole time. Ned Lagin plays keyboards and as a result you get a special eyes.

Nothing really special with the ending Winterland run unfortuantely.

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Poster: Teedawg Date: Mar 6, 2009 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

I remember this show, used to liten to it so long ago. Just one of those many I forgot about, thanks for the reminder. 12-31-72
The Truckin thru Dew sequance is sublime

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Mar 3, 2009 6:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

My favorite from the Donna-free month of Dec '73.

Best versions I know of Here Comes Sunshine and China->Rider, and a 43-minute Dark Star. Did I mention no Donna? The boys were not missing her.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-12-06.sbd.kaplan-fink-hamilton.4452.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 4, 2009 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

S&R

Listening to this one right now--AMAZING! and yes, w/no Donna you can really appreciate listening to the vocal harmonic sections in HCS (my favorite track so far...one of the truly great jazz jams Garcia has ever led), Greatest Story, BIODTL, etc.

Great recommendation, and wonderfully clean Miller source...why had I not heard of this one before?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 5, 2009 12:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

Wouldn't the 43-minute Dark Star scare you away, grendel? You're always saying this is your least favorite kind of Dead jam....

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 5, 2009 2:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

Well, I can't throw out the baby with the bathwater...what I do with most of those '73-'74 DS's (and did so w/this one) is listen to about the first 20-25 minutes, or until Jerry sings the 2nd verse (sometimes, granted, there isn't one), then move on as they get to the stupid feedback/nonsense sections, and go on thru the show...

Good example is 11/11/73...FANTASTIC Dark Star up until the 2nd verse, then it degrades into junk...

anyway, overall this 12/6/73 show is too good to let one tune ruin it. You gotta listen to that HCS....instantly my favorite--and again--No Donna to ruin the choruses!!!!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Mar 5, 2009 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for the best of '72-'74

That HCS from 12/6 is absolutely the sexiest thing in that show and maybe the entire year. I also appreciate the long Dark Star just for the audacity of it. China -> Rider is also huge at this show. Very, very good versions of some others, including GSET, TLEO and Eyes. Just a great all-around evening of GD from Donna-free 73.